By emphasising the interweaving of languaging and emotioning, Maturana unpacks further his notion that conversations are structural perturbations which have far- reaching effects on our bodyhoods. Our 'self' or 'identity' is defined by the totality of all the systems of social interactions in which we participate. In this sense our bodyhood is the time/space location of structural intersections of the many different systems which we constitute or participate in bringing forth through our actions.